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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess whatever works for your situation and your child. I used the Early methods to introduce my child to the bathroom and other methods as well in the potty boot camp ebook.  Actually it was encouragement from my mom and wanting to get him out of cloth diapers as soon as possible.  My son was potty trained by 26 months pretty much probably really on his own even though I intorduced a lot of things to him books videos using the stuffed toys on the potty he got resistant on my at about 20 months so I just left him alone and let him continue going whenever he wanted to and dealt with any accidents and he got sick at between 21 and 23 months so I tried again at 24 months  and then when he was 26 months he said I got to pp so I just let him go on his own with out doing anything and it was on a weekend and he was pretty much potty trained right then and there.  We did still deal with some accidents but that is normal I guess but by 28 months he was pretty much completely potty trained.  So I think anything will work just you just got to figure out what it is and go for it.  And you don&#039;t really have to by all that stuff.  It just kinda helps  get the point across a little better.  Back when I was a baby in the mid 60&#039;s I was told I was trained by 12 months and so were my 3 bros and one sister.  But we were brought up in cloth diapers too and so was my son and cloth trainers.  So to each his own.  But don&#039;t knock any method out it just depends on your child what works and what doesn&#039;t and what you have the time and patience for.  I say use the 50 year old method our parents used and don&#039;t worry about the reasons why they aren&#039;t used anymore because there was abuse involved in some of the methods in the early days of potty training in the I think the 30&#039;s and 40&#039;s but if you just be gentle and kind and patient it works. And it doesn&#039;t have to be costly.  Check out info on  the scientific reasons for training early, etc.  I forgot the link will have to go back and get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess whatever works for your situation and your child. I used the Early methods to introduce my child to the bathroom and other methods as well in the potty boot camp ebook.  Actually it was encouragement from my mom and wanting to get him out of cloth diapers as soon as possible.  My son was potty trained by 26 months pretty much probably really on his own even though I intorduced a lot of things to him books videos using the stuffed toys on the potty he got resistant on my at about 20 months so I just left him alone and let him continue going whenever he wanted to and dealt with any accidents and he got sick at between 21 and 23 months so I tried again at 24 months  and then when he was 26 months he said I got to pp so I just let him go on his own with out doing anything and it was on a weekend and he was pretty much potty trained right then and there.  We did still deal with some accidents but that is normal I guess but by 28 months he was pretty much completely potty trained.  So I think anything will work just you just got to figure out what it is and go for it.  And you don&#8217;t really have to by all that stuff.  It just kinda helps  get the point across a little better.  Back when I was a baby in the mid 60&#8242;s I was told I was trained by 12 months and so were my 3 bros and one sister.  But we were brought up in cloth diapers too and so was my son and cloth trainers.  So to each his own.  But don&#8217;t knock any method out it just depends on your child what works and what doesn&#8217;t and what you have the time and patience for.  I say use the 50 year old method our parents used and don&#8217;t worry about the reasons why they aren&#8217;t used anymore because there was abuse involved in some of the methods in the early days of potty training in the I think the 30&#8242;s and 40&#8242;s but if you just be gentle and kind and patient it works. And it doesn&#8217;t have to be costly.  Check out info on  the scientific reasons for training early, etc.  I forgot the link will have to go back and get it.</p>
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		<title>By: antimattr</title>
		<link>http://www.skepdad.ca/2009/potty-training-advice-for-the-skeptical-parent/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we used a chart/reward system. each time she went pee or poop, she got a sticker. each time she went poop on the potty, she was allowed to pick a prize out of a bag (prizes were purchased at a dollar store and consisted of stickers, coloring books, and other things we would have purchased for her anyway). As she became more successful, we started requiring two poops for a prize, then three and so on until she was very consistent, and we phased the prizes out over a week or so. This entire process took less than a month. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s not for everyone, but it worked for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we used a chart/reward system. each time she went pee or poop, she got a sticker. each time she went poop on the potty, she was allowed to pick a prize out of a bag (prizes were purchased at a dollar store and consisted of stickers, coloring books, and other things we would have purchased for her anyway). As she became more successful, we started requiring two poops for a prize, then three and so on until she was very consistent, and we phased the prizes out over a week or so. This entire process took less than a month. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s not for everyone, but it worked for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ouimet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Ouimet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again Brad for coming on to Skeptically Speaking last night to talk about this blog post. It is always nice to hear you on the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again Brad for coming on to Skeptically Speaking last night to talk about this blog post. It is always nice to hear you on the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, the Potty Whisperer DVD/info is about elimination communication.

It&#039;s fine that you feel this way about the different potty training ideas, that just means that waiting until your daughter is quite old is probably the way for you to go.

I disagree that it generally has to be about waiting until a child decides on their own, however.  If you REALLY wanted to do that, you&#039;d actually do the potty whispering with your newborn - newborn infants do not like to pee and poop on themselves (as don&#039;t all little animals).

I think potty training is all about what a parent has patience for and wants to do.  If you want to do it early, then it will take more patience (and more cleaning up), but if you want to do it late and wait until a child decides of their own volition, that works too.  You&#039;ll just have to deal with the &quot;still in diapers?&quot; questions.

FWIW, my daughter was pretty much totally trained by 2, and I was getting those questions at 1 (someone even told her &quot;shame on you for not being trained yet&quot; - seriously...?!).  With my son, we&#039;ve done part time elimination communication (and I do have that DVD), and he&#039;s very aware of his body (can hold it and uses the potty often) at 15 months but not clean and dry every day.  He was actually very reliable before he started moving around (then he has been too busy to stop and go sometimes).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, the Potty Whisperer DVD/info is about elimination communication.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine that you feel this way about the different potty training ideas, that just means that waiting until your daughter is quite old is probably the way for you to go.</p>
<p>I disagree that it generally has to be about waiting until a child decides on their own, however.  If you REALLY wanted to do that, you&#8217;d actually do the potty whispering with your newborn &#8211; newborn infants do not like to pee and poop on themselves (as don&#8217;t all little animals).</p>
<p>I think potty training is all about what a parent has patience for and wants to do.  If you want to do it early, then it will take more patience (and more cleaning up), but if you want to do it late and wait until a child decides of their own volition, that works too.  You&#8217;ll just have to deal with the &#8220;still in diapers?&#8221; questions.</p>
<p>FWIW, my daughter was pretty much totally trained by 2, and I was getting those questions at 1 (someone even told her &#8220;shame on you for not being trained yet&#8221; &#8211; seriously&#8230;?!).  With my son, we&#8217;ve done part time elimination communication (and I do have that DVD), and he&#8217;s very aware of his body (can hold it and uses the potty often) at 15 months but not clean and dry every day.  He was actually very reliable before he started moving around (then he has been too busy to stop and go sometimes).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot elimination communication. Here&#039;s our modified, skeptical version:

Once our kids hit six months, and solid food, and the poop started coming a bit more slowly, we just looked for that &quot;Napoleon stare&quot; and relocated them to the toilet. It never really occurred to them to poop anywhere but the toilet, as that was the place it usually happened (unless it happened in their sleep -- which stopped before 24 mos.). As they got older, they would voice their discomfort that they weren&#039;t on a toilet when they had to go. (I recall a car ride with the 12 month old crying in back because he had to poop and didn&#039;t want to poop in his diaper).

Yeah, it takes consistent attention to learn their timing and cues, and not every parent has the time or presence to pull it off. But if you do, it might work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot elimination communication. Here&#8217;s our modified, skeptical version:</p>
<p>Once our kids hit six months, and solid food, and the poop started coming a bit more slowly, we just looked for that &#8220;Napoleon stare&#8221; and relocated them to the toilet. It never really occurred to them to poop anywhere but the toilet, as that was the place it usually happened (unless it happened in their sleep &#8212; which stopped before 24 mos.). As they got older, they would voice their discomfort that they weren&#8217;t on a toilet when they had to go. (I recall a car ride with the 12 month old crying in back because he had to poop and didn&#8217;t want to poop in his diaper).</p>
<p>Yeah, it takes consistent attention to learn their timing and cues, and not every parent has the time or presence to pull it off. But if you do, it might work.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>swan: I think your point that &quot;it&#039;s just developmental&quot; gets it spot-on.  After all the reading and advice, it really just comes down to how willing the kid is to accepting the change.  Sure, there might be coaxing and support a parent can provide to expedite this process, but the skeptical perspective on this whole ordeal is centered around the parental expectations -- and the subsequent time and resources we invest in exerting our impatient control over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>swan: I think your point that &#8220;it&#8217;s just developmental&#8221; gets it spot-on.  After all the reading and advice, it really just comes down to how willing the kid is to accepting the change.  Sure, there might be coaxing and support a parent can provide to expedite this process, but the skeptical perspective on this whole ordeal is centered around the parental expectations &#8212; and the subsequent time and resources we invest in exerting our impatient control over it.</p>
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		<title>By: swan</title>
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		<dc:creator>swan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used cloth diapers, so my kids were always very aware of being wet. My son would get awful rashes, too, so for him I was motivated to get him potty trained as soon as possible.

I tried the naked and $75 method, except I kept my kid in the kitchen/dining area, which was tiled. He was about 2 1/2, and I made sure he drank lots of water. I had the potty chair right there, waiting for the inevitable. Interestingly, he absolutely refused to go pee. He kept it in for several hours, and was crying but refused to pee. He didn&#039;t go on the floor, or in the chair, or even on a towel. He only went after I relented and put a diaper on him. Sigh.

How do you communicate with a 2 year old? I think that was my problem. He didn&#039;t know what I wanted, and I didn&#039;t know how to tell him. He eventually figured it out. My opinion now (after 2 kids) is that they eventually get it when they&#039;re ready. Both my kids would go into the bathroom with me, because I still had to keep an eye on them, right? So maybe there was some imitation going on there.

But really, as long as they are aware of what the toilet is for, I think it&#039;s just developmental, and you have to be patient.

My son was using the toilet during the day by the time he was 3 and was dry at night only after he had weaned at about 3 1/2 (the nighttime nursing was making his bladder full at night and he was a heavy sleeper).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used cloth diapers, so my kids were always very aware of being wet. My son would get awful rashes, too, so for him I was motivated to get him potty trained as soon as possible.</p>
<p>I tried the naked and $75 method, except I kept my kid in the kitchen/dining area, which was tiled. He was about 2 1/2, and I made sure he drank lots of water. I had the potty chair right there, waiting for the inevitable. Interestingly, he absolutely refused to go pee. He kept it in for several hours, and was crying but refused to pee. He didn&#8217;t go on the floor, or in the chair, or even on a towel. He only went after I relented and put a diaper on him. Sigh.</p>
<p>How do you communicate with a 2 year old? I think that was my problem. He didn&#8217;t know what I wanted, and I didn&#8217;t know how to tell him. He eventually figured it out. My opinion now (after 2 kids) is that they eventually get it when they&#8217;re ready. Both my kids would go into the bathroom with me, because I still had to keep an eye on them, right? So maybe there was some imitation going on there.</p>
<p>But really, as long as they are aware of what the toilet is for, I think it&#8217;s just developmental, and you have to be patient.</p>
<p>My son was using the toilet during the day by the time he was 3 and was dry at night only after he had weaned at about 3 1/2 (the nighttime nursing was making his bladder full at night and he was a heavy sleeper).</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 19:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, in the form of an update on our own progress, The Girl has decided she wants to pee-to-impress... in this case, she now insists the dog watch her &quot;go potty&quot; and makes a very active effort whenever the poor pup is in the bathroom to show-off her use of the throne. Still only minimal success, but we now now what she wants whenever she tries to coax the dog into the bathroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, in the form of an update on our own progress, The Girl has decided she wants to pee-to-impress&#8230; in this case, she now insists the dog watch her &#8220;go potty&#8221; and makes a very active effort whenever the poor pup is in the bathroom to show-off her use of the throne. Still only minimal success, but we now now what she wants whenever she tries to coax the dog into the bathroom.</p>
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		<title>By: nonplus</title>
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		<dc:creator>nonplus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a possibly better variation of the &quot;watch Mom or Dad do it&quot; is the &quot;watch an older/more advanced peer do it&quot;.  If they have an older sibling, that&#039;s an obvious idol to emulate.

I think the potty trainings/bootcamps are likely counter productive - especially at an early age.

FWIW, we started putting our daughter on a potty (I think) some time after her 2nd birthday, but without really any pressure or expectations.  She just though it was a nice enough place to read board books (reading&#039;s my fave. bathroom activity, too) and occasionally she&#039;d be unhappily surprised when she actually peed or pooped.  And then, a couple of months shy of turning three, she decided that going on the potty was cool.  At that point we took her out of diapers (except for the night) but she went cold turkey - day or night - pretty much instantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a possibly better variation of the &#8220;watch Mom or Dad do it&#8221; is the &#8220;watch an older/more advanced peer do it&#8221;.  If they have an older sibling, that&#8217;s an obvious idol to emulate.</p>
<p>I think the potty trainings/bootcamps are likely counter productive &#8211; especially at an early age.</p>
<p>FWIW, we started putting our daughter on a potty (I think) some time after her 2nd birthday, but without really any pressure or expectations.  She just though it was a nice enough place to read board books (reading&#8217;s my fave. bathroom activity, too) and occasionally she&#8217;d be unhappily surprised when she actually peed or pooped.  And then, a couple of months shy of turning three, she decided that going on the potty was cool.  At that point we took her out of diapers (except for the night) but she went cold turkey &#8211; day or night &#8211; pretty much instantly.</p>
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